Since
Vikings debut, Lagertha has been a fan favorite. Katheryn Winnick, as
Lagertha has shown the many sides of her character, but with each
emotion, each situation she's put into there is a strength and
fierceness to her even in her most vulnerable times. The first half
of the season has been a bloody one, with our fierce Shieldmaiden
barely surviving, and if the second half of the season is half as
good, then there's still plenty of action, and heartbreak to come.
Katheryn Winnick took time out of her busy schedule for a conference
call to answer a few of our most burning questions.
At
this point in her life what do you think is actually her strongest
motivation for everything that’s going on? What is driving her
forward as we catch up with her at the start of this second half?
Lagertha
has always had a lot of different challenges. Throughout this season
it’s been evident for her at this stage. Going into four, it's
really seeing how Kattegat is run and being extremely disappointed
that’s it's not ruled by the right ruler. With King Ragnar not
necessarily being there and present as a king should be, and with
Queen Aslaug running the show and not necessarily running it the
proper way or the strongest way as a ruler to help the people. And I
think for her, her dream was obviously to expand two different
territories and also make Kattegat one of the largest trading
centers. It's her dream and she saw the potential of it.
So
I think for her it's a personal motivation but her heart is in the
right place in wanting to do good for her Viking people.
In
the first episode, we meet Ecbert and then we also see you talk to
Ragnar very pointedly about your regret and their regret and
disappointments and I was wondering if you could talk about the
emotional aspect. You know, you posture Lagertha as very strong but
it’s the emotional aspect where you show weakness in the first
episode, you show, there are tears in your eyes and if you could talk
about that scene with Travis and about just the whole arc that we
have to look forward to with their relationship?
It
was certainly a very intense scene just because I, as Katheryn,
hadn’t worked with Travis in a long time before that, just because
our story lines were very seTara te, so it's great to get reunited
again and be face to face and working together and of course you
really don’t fully know how it's going to be until you shoot it,
especially when you have such a gifted actor like Travis and you
yourself could be as prepared as you can be, but at the end of the
day when you are there and in the moment, emotions arise and it is
what it is.
Now
you mentioned weakness, I don’t necessarily see it as a weakness, I
see it as a vulnerability but I think that there is strength in
vulnerability and especially with Lagertha and the fact that here is
somebody that she shared her childhood with, her formidable years
with together. They have been through so much, they had made children
together and to see him now after so many years, especially after the
time jump and still have love for him but she realizes she is in a
different place, but yet they will always be together if not in this
world, maybe in Valhalla in the future.
So
that scene was a very passionate scene in the sense that there was so
much more outside that the words could not express — everything is
really between the lines and they shared a beautiful kiss together
and I thought that was really sweet.
It's one of those things that we added in. And one of my favorite
moments is also when Lagertha is outside with her new love, Josefin
Asplund plays her and she sees him right away and she is just
overwhelmed and realizing maybe this might be the last time she may
see him, or for a long time, she is definitely in a very different
place and that’s evident in just that scene alone.
It
seemed from the previews that there is going to finally be a
reckoning between Lagertha and Aslaug. Can you talk a little bit
about that and whether or not we are finally going to get a sense of
satisfaction that Lagertha has kind of taken care of business there?
Yes,
there is definitely a big epic scene where Lagertha and Aslaug come
face to face and I will say it's pretty epic, it's juicy and it's
memorable. I wish I could actually give away more but it was a great
scene to shoot. Lagertha felt that she needed to take and find
Kattegat and really try to get control back. Kattegat is being run so
badly and it's been a lot of problems with Kattegat like people have
been dying, things are not being run in a proper way as it should be,
and she feels that she is doing the right thing by reclaiming it,
because nobody would rule it better than she does because she truly
cares about her people.
And
so we had this great scene with Alyssa Sutherland who plays Aslaug
and she is fantastic in it, and it was great to finally get face to
face with her and Aslaug and Lagertha together.
I'm
looking forward to that! Now, I wanted
to talk a little bit about The Seer and your perspective on that
character and more specifically, has he always been cool as a
cucumber and now he is screaming, which we were kind of wondering
what that means. Is something truly horrible coming? Can you
elaborate on that?
The
Seer is the Seer. You never know necessarily what's going to come out
of his mouth but he’s kind of the modern day psychic I guess.
Everyone goes to him to see the future and also for therapy and it's
interesting to see him in a different light and in a different
animated state and especially with Lagertha, I feel that she does
have a scene with him -- a really strong scene -- where she goes to
him and he gives her some devastating news that literally changes her
for not only the rest of the season but the rest of her life and it's
a really big scene. And it's really a big moment for him answering a
certain question and I think that what he actually answered I don’t
think will be expected. In every choice that I make as an actress it
is in the back of my mind. I think it’s something the audience
wouldn’t necessarily expect.
Okay.
Yes
you will see.
Can
you talk about the relationship with Astrid and how it came about? I
know she is not just suddenly allowed to be in, plus could you talk
about sort of what's going on there?
Sure
of course. There is a big time jump in season four, in which you saw
Lagertha is in a different place than she is now and had to be, and
she developed this relationship with Astrid, who Josefin Asplund
plays, and it's a relationship that she — Lagertha has been
betrayed by so many men throughout her life obviously Ragnar by
cheating on her and asking her to be a second wife and then her
second husband was abusive, and then Kalf who she groomed tried to
use her up, and she had to kill him on her wedding day. So her
relationship with men, I'm not sure it will change, I'm not sure she
will ever trust a man again.
So
it did make sense that she would find comfort in another human being
and that that human being happened to be a women and I don’t feel
that Lagertha necessarily is a lesbian. I wouldn’t necessarily see
that and I never really played it that way, but she did find a love
with her that other men have never been able to give her.
Also
their relationship has been for over six, seven years and
considerably she is very different and brings a breath of fresh air
to Lagertha’s life and Josefin has a lot of humor and width and
that’s evident in her character and especially her sense of style
and her sense of the way she deals with Lagertha is unique and that
was really a lot of fun to play. So I think you’re going to like
that relationship and I think Lagertha definitely grooms her to be
the warrior that she
is and it was nice just to see that it's not necessarily ‘oh here
are two women that are in bed together’ but there is a strong bond
that is not necessarily the sexual part of a relationship but more of
an emotional bond that is evident and really beautiful to see.
We’ve
seen Lagertha almost marry Calf and then kill him and is there some
other end game involved with Astrid? Is she using her for something
else?
No,
I don’t think there is any end game. I think that she sees her as
someone that is very comforting, but at this stage Lagertha truly
feels alone, I feel, because of all the betrayal that she had. Even
though she has Astrid, I'm not sure how emotionally close she is
going to let anybody into her life and with Astrid there is no other
motive other than caring for her. And she sees in Lagertha herself
through her own journey and really trying to find her own path and
own purpose in life at this stage is the theory and that’s why she
ends up going back to Kattegat and approaches Aslaug.
How
Lagertha feels about Bjorn abandoning his responsibilities to his
daughter?
Great
question. I feel that Lagertha is a warrior and she understands that
Bjorn has ambitions passed necessarily just being a father and
especially in those times it is not uncommon for the warriors to go
out to explore different lands and to really raid entourage. So is it
comfortable for her to necessarily leave her granddaughter to Aslag?
No, not necessarily. I don’t think that that’s the ideal
situation. But, she does understand that Bjorn is Bjorn and she
really wants the best for him and in life he ends up being a very
famous powerful warrior and he needs to do what he needs to do.
So
I do feel that it's different from how we may look at it now in our
society that he’s not necessarily a great father, but in those days
it's making a name yourself and teaching your children to be good
warriors and to be able to find their own path is what really drove
them and definitely is what drives Lagertha.
Obviously
there is some great emotional stuff coming up with Lagertha, but
people really enjoy your fight sequences in battles. You are very
talented and have a good background in that.
Is there anything coming up in these next stretch of episodes that
was particularly fun or interesting for you to do as far as action
and fights and stuff like that?
You
have to understand we are shooting right now, so we are so far beyond
what you are about to see, I'm trying to refresh my memory. Yes,
there is a very big battle coming up in four and it's one that’s
going to be in the course of double episodes and it is in the history
books and it is something that you wouldn’t expect and it is
definitely epic. It's powerful. It's a battle and you will see
deaths, unexpected deaths. You will see challenges within the fight.
You will see personal relationships getting tested when they confront
their enemies on the battlefield.
And
of course as an actor, for those scenes you try to be prepared as
much as you can by knowing your fight choreography. Shooting in those
elements of rain in Ireland, on a slop with mud, with horses, with
axes, with blood, you kind of have to expect the unexpected and
sometimes you find the real magic in those moments when you slip and
fall and you pick up someone else’s axe because yours is gone, and
everything is done a bit more sporadically. Or, you may realize that
you think you feel like action. When you see those battle sequences,
it's an opportunity to tell the story in a different way, and it's
also a way of sharing the story in the battles through the action
element. And if it's done well, which our crew is incredible in
shooting those scenes and our stunt guys are incredibly talented and
amazing to be able to fight against, they really give it their all
and you can feel the heart going into it and understand how special
this set really this because it's those moments that fill in the
reality of us being Viking warriors.
And
you can't walk away from our set without getting banged up and you
can't walk away without being black and blue and full of cuts, it's
just part of the
job and this job is not for everyone. This job is not for the divas
or for the actresses that are going to be in the trailer, this is a
really brutal gorilla shoot in a lot of ways and you need a thick
skin and you need to just go for it and I think that’s what makes
this job so special and I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I think
that’s what makes me love being a Viking. It's because it's raw and
it's real.
And
some of those cuts that you see on camera are actually real blood,
I’ll tell that for sure.
Can
you talk about the Arc of the show this season? I'm sure your
character's ambition and a lot of the characters have really been
changed in the faiths of their ambitions and the faiths of the things
that they are based off of. What's happened in the show and like
mentioned earlier Lagertha as the soul of the show and I was
wondering how have Lagertha kept her moral center in the phase of the
upheaval in a way that a lot of the other characters have not?
I
think that it's the fact that she is constantly getting challenged in
her moral compass and her moral ethics are always getting challenged
and I think it is what keeps her honest and it keeps her who she is
as Lagertha. She is formidable, she is strong, but she is also a
woman. She is allowed to be vulnerable, she is allowed to be
feminist. She is allowed not to have her (shit) together at times and
that’s what makes this character so real and fantastic. It's not
just the strengths of her character as a warrior but her strength,
her personality, and her strong sense of will is what I think a lot
of people identify with.
And
especially with Lagertha now going to season four, I think she is
really on one hand, an everyday woman and I reclaimed it in a
campaign for women and film. I designed a t-shirt that I'm actually
going to launch again just to raise money for women in film, but the
t-shirt consists of those three words and it was in big bold print
and it's wake
up,
kick
ass,
repeat
and
thoughts on that was really empowering and it's kind of sums up my
life and it sums up the life of many different women which is really
wake up, kick ass, repeat. Now this can mean many things. It can mean
kicking ass means being an amazing mother or kicking ass means going
to work and trying to put your kids to bed and having three jobs, or
if it's a mother running to then be seen being a CEO of a company
there is different ways and a lot of women can kick ass in everyday
life.
Which
brings me to my point of Lagertha. I think there is a lot of women
who identify with her as a strong person and not necessarily just
someone in the Viking era in that time period. But I feel that she is
really the modern women that everyone can relate to.
And
do you think, there was an episode this past season that showed
Ragnar looking with fully back in the time and when you are all
family, and do you think that it was his, it was into detach himself
from his commitment to his family that is a difference between how
both of those characters responded to events?
What's
interesting about Ragnar’s character, and this is why Michael Hirst
is such a great writer, is that easy as he is our hero of the show,
in a sense he is the elite type in one hand, but in the other he is
more of the antihero in the sense that he is not necessarily all put
together and he has flaws. That fits in the matter of him taking
mushrooms with his slave or if he not wanting to be king and him not
necessarily being a good father or a good ruler. I think that’s
what really makes it very interesting.
So
that scene that we reshot, we remember going back and putting on the
clothes from the previous seasons and we ended up having to recast my
daughter, because since then, she became this gorgeous teenager, so
we needed someone that was all same height and she was in the back,
but that scene was really beautiful because even though he may not
necessarily be able to be the man or go back in time to be the
Ragnar, the husband that he wants to be in his mind, in his thoughts,
in his dreams, he has a beautiful thinking that he cherishes that
moment, and I know Lagertha does too, and Ragnar was her true love,
and probably will always be.
How
much do you delve into what's written in the history books, in terms
of immersing yourself in the character as opposed to kind of just
trusting what Michael has in store for you do you? Have you two
worked on kind of shaping and sculpting Lagertha or how has that
process kind of evolved over the four seasons?
Well,
I'm very much involved in Lagertha in terms of helping to make her
who she is with obviously Michael’s collaboration. I think it
started off not necessarily being as strong of a wall as it is now
and definitely wasn’t this prominent, or there being plans of being
this prominent. So it's a blessing that I'm still here today and
absolutely love my job. I pinch myself when I wake up and get the
chance to go to work and to go to set.
But
Michael is very hands-on in the sense that whenever we get the new
scripts every few weeks, we sit and talk about what's coming for
Lagertha and where do I see her and where we can challenge her and
what we could do that’s unexpected. And that relationship is
something that I hold very dear to my heart because when you yourself
are invested as an actor in terms of making your character great you
are more invested in performing well and you feel very much a part of
the entire process and very much a part of your character, and I feel
that way with Lagertha.
We
do have the luxury in the fact that Michael writes every episode.
Since 99.9% of all TV shows is written by a team, a staff of writers
and it's really rare to have one sole writer write every episode,
especially now doing 20 episodes is a huge challenge. We started off
doing 10 episodes per year giving everybody a break but now when we
shoot the show, we pre shot some five months for the first two years,
then we went into 10 months so even though you are seeing it now,
months and months later we’ve to shot it consecutively.
So
I guess you are in the rhythm of it which is helpful, but it's also
keeping up the stamina and trying to find some fresh ideas and trying
to make your character different and find different ways of
challenging yourself is always interesting and it's also great too
because it peels away the layers like an onion with your character.
You find different ways of expressing yourself in different ways of
understanding Lagertha and where she is opposing or where she comes
from, or where she can go, that could be than so it’s always
incredible to see what Michael comes up with.
So
in the long winded answer to answer your question is yes. Michael is
very much involved and I'm very much involved, too in making Lagertha
who she is.
Last
question doesn’t have to do with Vikings, but another one of your
projects. Coming from a horror background, you're returning to that
genre. Can you talk about your role in The Dark Tower? I know they
haven't announced who you are yet, but maybe just about going to a
much larger production. How is it working on that set with that
story?
Well
first part of the question is really just about horror movies. I
think that for me starting off my career, I knew nobody in the
business, I think I grew up in Toronto Canada, so horror movies was
the way of getting your start and getting the experience that you
need, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world and I think a lot of
young actresses out there should always keep their eyes and ears open
for those types of projects because of the genre. It's strong enough
that a lot of people will watch simply because of the nature of the
movie itself.
But
The Dark Tower was an amazing experience. We shot in Cape Town. I
shot it during my hiatus. I only had less than two months of break in
between so it just likely worked out in terms of scheduling. So I
went straight from the end of season four, and straight to Toronto to
visit my family and literally two days later, I was on the plane to
Cape Town so it was really quick.
I
know that they have been trying to get this movie made for over eight
years. Ron Howard is producing it, Idris Elba is starring in it and
Matthew McConaughey also and we have an incredible young cast as
well. And I play a character that’s in the novels as well but
cannot talk about who I play quite yet.
But
I will say this. I have some great scenes with Matthew McConaughey,
who I love working with. I actually worked with him years and years
ago on one of my first movies so it was nice to reunite with him and
he plays a very interesting character and we have a great, incredible
director who is very hands-on with the actors and really has his own
vision of how his voice will be conveyed behind the camera and how he
wants the film to be really authentic and real. I think fans are
going to absolutely love it and I know that they are in talks of
doing a TV show now and possibly more movies and I know I had an
incredible experience working on it and it's just going to be amazing
when it comes out. And I believe the dates are now saying it will air
in July so I'm excited to see it in theaters and I'm sure you guys
will too.
Oh
yes, I'm so excited too, thank you so much.
My
pleasure. And I play a character that’s extremely different than
Lagertha so I will say that.
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